They are very interesting looking gun, that is to be sure. It's no different from shooting a vintage 87 really, just use the right ammunition and you'll be fine. I pickup a Marlin 1898 shotgun 12ga. So we took it to the range and shot our mild cowboy loads.

From what I have read, these later editions had no reported injures attributed to them, when handled and fired properly, but the reputation of the '98 stuck. The first was at an antique store in NH. If a competent gunsmith does the work, personally I would use the shotgun with target and standard field loads, but would opt to stay away from any 2 3/4 inch load above 3 1/4 dram equivalent or hi speed/magnum loads as you suggest. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Unfortunately for some reason, it's not allowed for SASS either, due to the "The 97 is the only allowed pump shotgun" rule. Had an 1898 that I used for a couple seasons, but once the letter came out I retired it and went to a Stoeger. The only way I could cause was to tilt the gun to the right in excess of 45 degrees. With the caveat that it has 2.5" chambers and was designed for black powder, I am of the opinion that with that combination of ammunition, it is safe to fire. I wouldn't join a club that would allow me to be a member. IF I ever got one, I'd probably prefer one in safe working condition, but how do you know if it is? See above referenced rule. (Remember that we did not have decades of experience with smokeless powder back then.). To compete with Winchester's very popular Model 1894 series of pump guns, Marlin produced this Model 1898 for seven years. They would not even take the gun out back to perform the checks themselves. Sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.. When you think Marlin, most people have a .22 rifle or lever-action cowboy gun spring to mind. Although they had patented pump actions as far back as 1889, they didn't produce a gun until almost a decade later. Yes, I've heard the "Windowmaker" moniker before...years after I fired it as a teenager LOL! In hind sight I guess I should have checked on the wire before I put out any gold. I don't have a "need" for a shotgun persay, but I'd love to get this in working order. I do not own one, but would like to have one because they are so interesting to look at. The more research I did I found out that Marlin did not want these guns to be shot especially with modern ammo. Consider upgrading your membership for less than a box of bullets! It would probably never be SASS approved, but it would still be wicked cool to own one that you can shoot without fear. Pleasant Valley Renegades . By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. So... Are your eyes and face worth the risk? Marlin Model-1898 12 Ga. JavaScript is disabled.

Would I consider shooting smokeless in it if the chamber was lengthened to 2-3/44"? It passed the tests just fine. A couple good pards reviewed the information and we tested a cowboys Marlin. Their design in the late 1800s heralded a new age of firearms technology and... Marlin's compact triple four, the Model 444P Outfitter, Timeline of the fight to defend the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (Infographic). The real reason Winchester recalled the 93 was that smokeless 2-5/8" shells had become the new standard, and they were rightly concerned that such shells could cause catastrophic damage to a 93. The BersaForum.com Bersa Thunder 380 Giveaway closes soon and I need you to get entered. I saw two of those in use back before they were illegal as well. There is no doubt that they are not legal for use in SASS. As far as the shells not chambering properly, that is to say that the back of the shell sticks out at an angle and could theoretically be set off by the extractor slamming into the primer, I tried my darndest, using snap caps, to try to make this happen. Bolt Action Marlin Sako rifles: The Model 322. MARLIN PUMP SHOTGUNS Model 1898 Model 16 Model 17 Model 17 Brush Gun Model 17 Riot Gun Model 19 Model 21 "Trap" Model 24 Marlin "Trap Gun" Model 26 Model 26 Brush Gun Model 26 Riot Gun Model 28 Hammerless Model 28TS Trap Gun Model 28T Trap Gun Model 30 Model 30 Field Grade Model 31 Model 42/42A Model 43A Model 43T Model 43TS Model 44A Model 44S Model 49 Model 53 Model 63 Model 63T Model … You were wise to research the safety checks, as the gun was known as the widow maker for the reason you mention. This is another old time pump that should be fired only with shorter, black powder shells, but it has no safety problems. Haven't seen you on the Wire in years! And when you consider that we basically use the pump gun as if it were a fancy single shot, I can think of no logical reason why the 93 is not allowed. 870 or Mossberg 500 with slug barrel for peace of mind from Brown Bears, but here in the lower 48...having this shotgun in working order is just a nice thing to have LOL. Here is a rundown on the safety checks you can do to check it... http://marauder.homestead.com/files/marlin98s.htm. So guns were literally blowing up. I guess if I get tired of seeing it around I can take it to a gun buy back and get most of my gold back.. I WILL say that if the ban was lifted in SASS, I'd have that old model 19 in my gun cart the next time I went to a match!! Sad, but it looks like I got me a wall hanger, Cool looking one. I have a model 49 and a model 42 that were made in 1929 and 1934 respectively. There are some design defects that do make them potentially quite dangerous, but there are those who assert that, if the gun passes certain safety checks, they are safe to fire with black powder loads in shells of the proper length.

For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I had a Marlin (there are several models based on the 1898, including the 19, 42, etc.). This was prior to the Winchester 1897 being the only legal pump gun for the game. Oh, and even though your 97 may be marked 2-3/4" it's really 2-5/8"  The measured the length differently back then somehow. If it passes the safety checks and you load up some 2-1/2" black powder shells, well, only you can decide if you should try to shoot it in the light of the above information. Marlin declared them unsafe after there were many failures. One, (a model 19) was my main match gun for several years, right up until the day that SASS decided that the '97 was the only pump gun they'd allow. Hello Here is an old photo of my Marlin Model-1898 12 Ga. I have an old Marlin mod. Part Owner of the Irish Cattle Company. Personally, I'd love to see a modern replica of this gun that overcomes the safety issues. Got this old Marlin 1898, i think, from my uncle awhile back. Drydock.

Or for that matter the 93/97, which is essentially a 97 made to look like a 93. By I'm still around, there's a nice video of me in the "Alternate catagories" thread a few days ago.

Powered by Invision Community. So in about 1918, they reviewed and updated the procedures for hardening steel. No. I have, and have had several of these. I sold a pristine model 24 several years ago to a gentleman who still hunts with it every fall. I even remember taking it back home and putting a box of Federal Top Gun target loads through it. Fredrick Jackson Turner had the same thing happen to him!

Very nice shotgun, and a nice family connection. History, music (Southern Rock/Blues/Oldies), racing (cars/motorcycles), motorcycling, weapons (mostly guns and knives), baseball, toy trains, WWII, cowboy shooting (targets of course), reading, and my wife and family.

Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. In fact, if you compare a 93 to a 97, the former is clearly much beefier in its construction. He stopped hunting in the 50's for various reasons well before I was born. Given the current climate of litigative probabilities, I won't recommend that ANYONE to buy or shoot any of the Marlin exposed hammer shotguns! I performed the safety checks in the list, and it failed all of them. The shop took the gun back and I bought a Stoeger instead.

The name Mauser is legendary when it comes to bolt-action rifles. He used it before going into the USN during the War and after that into the 1950's. Shotgun. It was cleaned, taken apart and put away in the attic above our garage. Stonelick Regulators. So the word went out, be very careful of any gun made prior to 1918. Marlin must have changed the style of hang fire release during the manufacture of the Model 24 since it was in production the longest of any of the exposed hammer style shotguns. I have never shot it, and he didnt know anything about it when he gave it to me. I also did not at that time know of the safety checks. Paradise Pass Regulators, ROI ROII Wartrace Regulators,Highland Regulators, North Alabama Regulators, Rock Castle Rangers SCORRS Member, Co-founder Insane Clown Posse, Greene County Cowboys . There is good reason to say that they should not be fired.

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This was LONG after smokeless shotgun shells became the order of the day. are they safe to use as cowboy guns? The shop I bought it from convinced me that it was going to be the perfect SASS gun for me. He offered it to me for sale once, saying that he was certain it was in shootable condition, but I bought his Burgess shotgun instead.

After a few shots, the metal (I think on the frame) failed and sent a sliver back into the shooters cheek. I've chosen to go with the shorter shells myself. Take it all with a grain of salt. This is why real 93's are so rare, most of them were destroyed. Parts are available for this shotgun, and it could be put back in service.

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In the "Marlin Letter" they claim that the materials are suspect. The '49's barrel was shortened because someone damaged it before I decided to rescue it. In no particular order. I have problem with my shutgun, it was out of service some months ago. Wow, Sgt. Nice looking shotgun and great history about it. However, keeping... First framed by founding father James Madison back in 1789, the fundamental rights protected under the Second Amendment of the Constitution to... One of the other sites in our network, BersaForum.com, is giving away a brand new Bersa Thunder Duotone .380 donated to the community by Eagle... [IMG] Needless to say, I passed on it as well. Later in the 1930's they further improved the process even more,  then again in the early 1940's. I sold a pristine model 24 several years ago to a gentleman who still hunts with it … This was bought by my Dad in 1940 from a local farmer. Not SASS legal, and Marlin says not to fire them even with real BP loads. This was LONG after smokeless shotgun shells became the order of the day. 24 scattergun.

Both were/are chambered for 2 3/4" shells.

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